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	<title>Comments on: 12 Days Day 8: Lolikitean Tsundere</title>
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	<description>Five Words: You Can't Censor My Love</description>
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		<title>By: ghostlightning</title>
		<link>http://not.dotq.org/2008/12/21/12-days-day-8-lolikitean-tsundere/#comment-32642</link>
		<dc:creator>ghostlightning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You didn&#039;t say it, Lelangir did. I was unaware of &lt;i&gt;deretsun&lt;/i&gt; being a trope/meme. 

Hmmm, must think this through further. 

@ picchar

Saotome Alto was tsun tsun for Sheryl Nome up to a certain point. I don&#039;t know if that&#039;ll count as moe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You didn&#8217;t say it, Lelangir did. I was unaware of <i>deretsun</i> being a trope/meme. </p>
<p>Hmmm, must think this through further. </p>
<p>@ picchar</p>
<p>Saotome Alto was tsun tsun for Sheryl Nome up to a certain point. I don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;ll count as moe.</p>
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		<title>By: anitations - CCY’s 12 Days of Christmas [Day 8]</title>
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		<dc:creator>anitations - CCY’s 12 Days of Christmas [Day 8]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] lolikitsune: Shigofumi OVA [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Zeroblade</title>
		<link>http://not.dotq.org/2008/12/21/12-days-day-8-lolikitean-tsundere/#comment-32636</link>
		<dc:creator>Zeroblade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tomoya is... Moe...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tomoya is&#8230; Moe&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: lolikitsune</title>
		<link>http://not.dotq.org/2008/12/21/12-days-day-8-lolikitean-tsundere/#comment-32634</link>
		<dc:creator>lolikitsune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-32625&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ghostlightning&lt;/a&gt;: ... I didn&#039;t say that tsundere doesn&#039;t exist. I just said that almost every portrayal of it in anime is bullshit. Furthermore the phenomenon you are referring to would be &lt;i&gt;deretsun&lt;/i&gt; and is present in almost every human relationship, where, as people become closer and spend more time together, they become more aware of each other&#039;s flaws and like each other less.

@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-32631&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;picchar&lt;/a&gt;: yes, they can be. Ex: Tomoya in Clannad.

@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-32632&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Baka-Raptor&lt;/a&gt;: yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-32625" rel="nofollow">ghostlightning</a>: &#8230; I didn&#8217;t say that tsundere doesn&#8217;t exist. I just said that almost every portrayal of it in anime is bullshit. Furthermore the phenomenon you are referring to would be <i>deretsun</i> and is present in almost every human relationship, where, as people become closer and spend more time together, they become more aware of each other&#8217;s flaws and like each other less.</p>
<p>@<a href="#comment-32631" rel="nofollow">picchar</a>: yes, they can be. Ex: Tomoya in Clannad.</p>
<p>@<a href="#comment-32632" rel="nofollow">Baka-Raptor</a>: yes.</p>
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		<title>By: Baka-Raptor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baka-Raptor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 13:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fumika is so moe &lt;3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fumika is so moe &lt;3</p>
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		<title>By: picchar</title>
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		<dc:creator>picchar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 13:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was reading this post and ghostlightning&#039;s comment when I suddenly wondered...

&lt;b&gt;Can guys be moe?&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was reading this post and ghostlightning&#8217;s comment when I suddenly wondered&#8230;</p>
<p><b>Can guys be moe?</b></p>
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		<title>By: ghostlightning</title>
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		<dc:creator>ghostlightning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 08:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While &lt;i&gt;reasonable&lt;/i&gt; does not necessarily translate into &lt;i&gt;realistic&lt;/i&gt;, I dispute the assertion that there are no tsundere in reality.

Someone said (I think it was Lelangir) that tsundere do not exist. They do.

Tsundere in reality just occurs differently than how they are portrayed in anime - meaning the tsun tsun appears later rather than sooner.

This is due to how we humans would rather put our best foot forward. When you start dating, all you see is dere dere, it&#039;s when the familiarity has set in, when there are commitments that hold you together, making authentic behavior less &lt;i&gt;risky&lt;/i&gt; to display, you get tsun tsun more often.

The dere dere behaviors will still be there, though not as frequent as when you start going out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While <i>reasonable</i> does not necessarily translate into <i>realistic</i>, I dispute the assertion that there are no tsundere in reality.</p>
<p>Someone said (I think it was Lelangir) that tsundere do not exist. They do.</p>
<p>Tsundere in reality just occurs differently than how they are portrayed in anime &#8211; meaning the tsun tsun appears later rather than sooner.</p>
<p>This is due to how we humans would rather put our best foot forward. When you start dating, all you see is dere dere, it&#8217;s when the familiarity has set in, when there are commitments that hold you together, making authentic behavior less <i>risky</i> to display, you get tsun tsun more often.</p>
<p>The dere dere behaviors will still be there, though not as frequent as when you start going out.</p>
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