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	<title>Comments on: Taking Faulkner to Haruhi, part 1</title>
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		<title>By: Squares</title>
		<link>http://not.dotq.org/2007/04/12/taking-faulkner-to-haruhi-part-1/#comment-59220</link>
		<dc:creator>Squares</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 05:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-8776&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Michael&lt;/a&gt;: 
Sir, you must take into account that the gentleman who created this article is comparing neither Faulkner himself nor any facet of his writing style to The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, nor Haruhi Suzumiya herself. He is, if I may be so bold, merely attempting to utilize a style of literary analysis that he associates with Faulkner, such as attention to detail, especially with symbols and whatnot. 
And, gracious sir, if a &#039;haruhi-ite&#039; were to look at the article and draw the conclusion that the characters of Faulkner and Haruhi are being compared, it might be stated by one such person that Haruhi Suzumiya is, more or less, &#039;god&#039;. Ergo, Faulkner is being related to &#039;god&#039;, and being complimented highly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-8776" rel="nofollow">Michael</a>:<br />
Sir, you must take into account that the gentleman who created this article is comparing neither Faulkner himself nor any facet of his writing style to The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, nor Haruhi Suzumiya herself. He is, if I may be so bold, merely attempting to utilize a style of literary analysis that he associates with Faulkner, such as attention to detail, especially with symbols and whatnot.<br />
And, gracious sir, if a &#8216;haruhi-ite&#8217; were to look at the article and draw the conclusion that the characters of Faulkner and Haruhi are being compared, it might be stated by one such person that Haruhi Suzumiya is, more or less, &#8216;god&#8217;. Ergo, Faulkner is being related to &#8216;god&#8217;, and being complimented highly.</p>
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		<title>By: The Fight Against Anime &#171; Miao on My Mind</title>
		<link>http://not.dotq.org/2007/04/12/taking-faulkner-to-haruhi-part-1/#comment-30827</link>
		<dc:creator>The Fight Against Anime &#171; Miao on My Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] P Exhibit Q Yes, Exhibit Q was, in fact, trolling on my part. Up yours, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: &#8220;WE ARE FUCKING NOT DOTQ. THIS TIME SERIOUSLY.&#8221; &#187; The Best-Kept Secrets of a Monster</title>
		<link>http://not.dotq.org/2007/04/12/taking-faulkner-to-haruhi-part-1/#comment-24398</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;WE ARE FUCKING NOT DOTQ. THIS TIME SERIOUSLY.&#8221; &#187; The Best-Kept Secrets of a Monster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 02:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the image follows easily: all his adulation for the show is hidden trolling along the lines of my dealings with Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu. But don&#8217;t be deceived. In spite of his trolling nature, and in spite of his alleged [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of the image follows easily: all his adulation for the show is hidden trolling along the lines of my dealings with Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu. But don&#8217;t be deceived. In spite of his trolling nature, and in spite of his alleged [...]</p>
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		<title>By: AnimeSeen - Nice Idea at AnimeLife</title>
		<link>http://not.dotq.org/2007/04/12/taking-faulkner-to-haruhi-part-1/#comment-9579</link>
		<dc:creator>AnimeSeen - Nice Idea at AnimeLife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 00:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] with LK (aka lolikitsune) last nite. He was doing a little self-promotion of his most recent post, as usual. So as I was reading some of what he has posted lately, I noticed he has a little button [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] with LK (aka lolikitsune) last nite. He was doing a little self-promotion of his most recent post, as usual. So as I was reading some of what he has posted lately, I noticed he has a little button [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Seth</title>
		<link>http://not.dotq.org/2007/04/12/taking-faulkner-to-haruhi-part-1/#comment-8907</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 03:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, that freaked me out.  I hadn&#039;t commented here in a while, and when I hit the textarea to start typing it was like SUDDEN CHURUYA ASSAULT!!  You do this to frighten people, yes?

&quot;Now, during these longer sections of dialogue, there isn‚Äôt much to note about the visuals. Kyoto Animation, for all their attention to detail and trickiness, doesn‚Äôt throw us any curve ball symbolism during ‚Äúdown to earth&quot; scenes like these.&quot;

Which sections are you referring to?  All of the preceding?  I don&#039;t have the episode on hand, but I distinctly remember the (virtual) camera-work in this episode.  The perspectives are interesting.

For instance, if I remember this correctly, during the conversation about Haruhi with Tanaguchi there is a wide shot of the boys talking.  This is weird, because you would normally use a tight shot there, unless it was an Eva money-saving tactic.  However that&#039;s not the case here, because there&#039;s a lot of motion and detail in the rest of the shot.  In fact, other students in the classroom walk *in front* of the boys who are talking, which is an odd thing to do.  A lot of the angles they shoot (in this episode and later ones) are very awkward, often overhead.  The camera is present here, where normally it is not.  Normally you do not want the camera to be noticeable, because you want viewers focused on what is happening.  Here the literal focus is not even always on what&#039;s happening.

I&#039;d had various theories about this for a while, including the idea that it was trying to stress an omniscient perspective (overhead implying god-like), but in the end I think it is just trying to stress the same parallel construction presented in Episode 01 (00).  One major theme of the story is Fantasy as Reality.  In the first episode we see the characters act out their own story, but the illusion normally created is destroyed by the SOS-dan&#039;s terrible production which reflects the fact that the illusion isn&#039;t even necessary: the story is real.  So when I see these awkward shots in the rest of the show, that knock on the door of the illusion, I think the creators are trying to do the same thing every Fantasy as Reality story wants: stress the idea that your fantasy may be reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, that freaked me out.  I hadn&#8217;t commented here in a while, and when I hit the textarea to start typing it was like SUDDEN CHURUYA ASSAULT!!  You do this to frighten people, yes?</p>
<p>&#8220;Now, during these longer sections of dialogue, there isn‚Äôt much to note about the visuals. Kyoto Animation, for all their attention to detail and trickiness, doesn‚Äôt throw us any curve ball symbolism during ‚Äúdown to earth&quot; scenes like these.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which sections are you referring to?  All of the preceding?  I don&#8217;t have the episode on hand, but I distinctly remember the (virtual) camera-work in this episode.  The perspectives are interesting.</p>
<p>For instance, if I remember this correctly, during the conversation about Haruhi with Tanaguchi there is a wide shot of the boys talking.  This is weird, because you would normally use a tight shot there, unless it was an Eva money-saving tactic.  However that&#8217;s not the case here, because there&#8217;s a lot of motion and detail in the rest of the shot.  In fact, other students in the classroom walk *in front* of the boys who are talking, which is an odd thing to do.  A lot of the angles they shoot (in this episode and later ones) are very awkward, often overhead.  The camera is present here, where normally it is not.  Normally you do not want the camera to be noticeable, because you want viewers focused on what is happening.  Here the literal focus is not even always on what&#8217;s happening.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d had various theories about this for a while, including the idea that it was trying to stress an omniscient perspective (overhead implying god-like), but in the end I think it is just trying to stress the same parallel construction presented in Episode 01 (00).  One major theme of the story is Fantasy as Reality.  In the first episode we see the characters act out their own story, but the illusion normally created is destroyed by the SOS-dan&#8217;s terrible production which reflects the fact that the illusion isn&#8217;t even necessary: the story is real.  So when I see these awkward shots in the rest of the show, that knock on the door of the illusion, I think the creators are trying to do the same thing every Fantasy as Reality story wants: stress the idea that your fantasy may be reality.</p>
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		<title>By: bettynoire</title>
		<link>http://not.dotq.org/2007/04/12/taking-faulkner-to-haruhi-part-1/#comment-8882</link>
		<dc:creator>bettynoire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 06:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I found this quite interesting. I actually have a hard time following your blog when it comes to SHnY, because I fricking love the show and the bashing isn&#039;t quite so fun for me. But you do tend to make good points (even when I disagree with the overall idea sometimes) and this entry shows that you do have more worth than most anime bloggers in that you can step above your tastes to make an insightful commentary. As someone said before, this is hardly &quot;academic&quot; in that there&#039;s no real proof behind the extrapolations you&#039;re making, but since this isn&#039;t an academic forum I see no harm in reading as far into it as you like. 

The conclusions you&#039;ve drawn so far about Kyon are intriguing, considering I never really found him that interesting in the sense that Kyon, in some ways, is the voice of every teenager. We &#039;abandon&#039; our childhood ideals, and spend the rest of our lives &#039;looking back&#039; at them with a fondness for the innocence we had then. The difference is that Kyon&#039;s childhood beliefs, thanks to Haruhi&#039;s crazy God-ness, are shown to be more solid than he realized, making them something that cannot simply be discarded upon adolescent cynicism. In effect, Kyon is shown that the beliefs of childhood are essential.

Haruhi, though you dislike her character, I find more interesting in the fact that she really doesn&#039;t believe in all of the things she says she&#039;s interested in -- thus her melancholy. The only way Haruhi will ever be able to lose her melancholy is if she finds the beauty and fantastical in this grounded reality, or else she&#039;ll just keep recreating the world in the same way that a child smashed a newly molded clay doll so that they can make a puppy instead. This would make Haruhi Kyon&#039;s mirror, in the sense that she needs to give up her childish beliefs for the solidity of normalcy (Kyon). 

Anyways, I&#039;ll refrain from saying any more (I got a little into it). ^.^;; I&#039;m sorry if I&#039;ve stepped on your toes.

Very enjoyable read; I look forward to your next post on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I found this quite interesting. I actually have a hard time following your blog when it comes to SHnY, because I fricking love the show and the bashing isn&#8217;t quite so fun for me. But you do tend to make good points (even when I disagree with the overall idea sometimes) and this entry shows that you do have more worth than most anime bloggers in that you can step above your tastes to make an insightful commentary. As someone said before, this is hardly &#8220;academic&#8221; in that there&#8217;s no real proof behind the extrapolations you&#8217;re making, but since this isn&#8217;t an academic forum I see no harm in reading as far into it as you like. </p>
<p>The conclusions you&#8217;ve drawn so far about Kyon are intriguing, considering I never really found him that interesting in the sense that Kyon, in some ways, is the voice of every teenager. We &#8216;abandon&#8217; our childhood ideals, and spend the rest of our lives &#8216;looking back&#8217; at them with a fondness for the innocence we had then. The difference is that Kyon&#8217;s childhood beliefs, thanks to Haruhi&#8217;s crazy God-ness, are shown to be more solid than he realized, making them something that cannot simply be discarded upon adolescent cynicism. In effect, Kyon is shown that the beliefs of childhood are essential.</p>
<p>Haruhi, though you dislike her character, I find more interesting in the fact that she really doesn&#8217;t believe in all of the things she says she&#8217;s interested in &#8212; thus her melancholy. The only way Haruhi will ever be able to lose her melancholy is if she finds the beauty and fantastical in this grounded reality, or else she&#8217;ll just keep recreating the world in the same way that a child smashed a newly molded clay doll so that they can make a puppy instead. This would make Haruhi Kyon&#8217;s mirror, in the sense that she needs to give up her childish beliefs for the solidity of normalcy (Kyon). </p>
<p>Anyways, I&#8217;ll refrain from saying any more (I got a little into it). ^.^;; I&#8217;m sorry if I&#8217;ve stepped on your toes.</p>
<p>Very enjoyable read; I look forward to your next post on this.</p>
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		<title>By: lolikitsune</title>
		<link>http://not.dotq.org/2007/04/12/taking-faulkner-to-haruhi-part-1/#comment-8826</link>
		<dc:creator>lolikitsune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goshinga: interpret it how you will, really.</description>
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		<title>By: Goshinga</title>
		<link>http://not.dotq.org/2007/04/12/taking-faulkner-to-haruhi-part-1/#comment-8810</link>
		<dc:creator>Goshinga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Halfway through I thought this was a well written piece of satire but now after reading the comments I&#039;m lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Halfway through I thought this was a well written piece of satire but now after reading the comments I&#8217;m lost.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://not.dotq.org/2007/04/12/taking-faulkner-to-haruhi-part-1/#comment-8776</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was offended you compared Haruhi to Faulkner, though.

It&#039;s like, Haruhi&#039;s at best a dumb bitch/fuckbuddy, whereas Faulkner is the greatest Southern Gothic writer of all time. Their intelligences are simply incomparable. 

:V</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was offended you compared Haruhi to Faulkner, though.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like, Haruhi&#8217;s at best a dumb bitch/fuckbuddy, whereas Faulkner is the greatest Southern Gothic writer of all time. Their intelligences are simply incomparable. </p>
<p>:V</p>
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		<title>By: lolikitsune</title>
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		<dc:creator>lolikitsune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;Are you forgoing focusing on Haruhi because it only matters later in the series, or are you forgoing her because you really dislike her? Tone suggests the latter.

A number of reasons actually. First, there&#039;s not much to focus on in episode two. There just isn&#039;t. I could detail her &quot;character&quot;as it were by listing everything Kyon listed, but this isn&#039;t a play-by-play. In terms of what we know of her so far, there&#039;s very little to analyze. Then, yes, I really dislike her, and any analysis of her character would head down a windy road. Finally, Kyon is simply more interesting to the audience in terms of what we&#039;re told; he&#039;s a fairly fleshed-out character and we see inside his mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>>Are you forgoing focusing on Haruhi because it only matters later in the series, or are you forgoing her because you really dislike her? Tone suggests the latter.</p>
<p>A number of reasons actually. First, there&#8217;s not much to focus on in episode two. There just isn&#8217;t. I could detail her &#8220;character&#8221;as it were by listing everything Kyon listed, but this isn&#8217;t a play-by-play. In terms of what we know of her so far, there&#8217;s very little to analyze. Then, yes, I really dislike her, and any analysis of her character would head down a windy road. Finally, Kyon is simply more interesting to the audience in terms of what we&#8217;re told; he&#8217;s a fairly fleshed-out character and we see inside his mind.</p>
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